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Abnaxus · Oct 29, 2007, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Alright... my updated suggestion:

#1. Most titles should be account-wide for PvP characters and Char-specific for PvE characters. The PvP version should be a recording of the total points accumulated while the PvE version should only be what was accumulated on THAT character. Kurzick / Luxon tracks should be made significantly easier to aquire along these lines (as for the moment they are scaled like a PvP track despite having more PvE influence).

#2. Exceptions should be Lucky / Unlucky / Wisdom / Treasure Hunter / Drunkard / Sweet-Tooth... which should be universally accessable... if only because they're much more useful across multiple chars than on a single one.... and make more sense as universal accomplishments than combat-related ones do.

This sums up well the concept.

Point #1 can be controversial, I've seen many level 11 and one level 12, those people would be very upset if let's say 1-2M faction are required to max instead that the current 10M.

Probably the solution could be unlinking the PvE skills from the title, put them in another line (LB/SS, Norn, Asura or whatever) and instead give an emote like all other PvP titles, keeping the 10M points requirement to max.

elektra_lucia · Oct 29, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

PVP shouldn't be compared too much. You can make a PVP character for a match, delete it after. That's sometimes what I do. Templates and such are there to make it easy.

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and instead give an emote like all other PvP titles

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Since when did all PVP titles have emotes?

Abnaxus · Oct 29, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Since when did all PVP titles have emotes?

I don't PvP at all, ok my mistake, anyway the idea remains.

FC_DriFteR · Oct 29, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by booooYA

I'm not one of those people who won't let unranked people into my HA group or anything along those lines.

Do you have a secret ranked account I don't know about??? or are you logging in as me

leprekan · Oct 29, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

No, just three specific people.

So you opposers, understand our opinion fully yet? What about you, ANET?

After more than a year of this title being around there isn't a logical reason to change it. At this point it would just allow the QQs to shortcut the hardest pve title to get by getting credit for chests already opened on other chars. That is the "opposers" goal in this whinefest (opposers being those that oppose current system). If you worry about opening chests on another char because of cost ... you can't afford this title to begin with. Those 3 or 4 chests you might run into while playing your other char that night won't keep you from getting that title. Being too lazy to make yourself open 10000 will. Like I said before .. you want to dumb it down then Anet should raise the level cap to 15000 or even 20000. You would still have your "enjoyment" of being able to open on any char and the raised level cap would compensate for those you had opened already on other chars. Somehow I doubt you will think that is fair.

Your opinion is what is the problem with gw. Your type begged for inscriptions and cheap runes. Now the same group cries because they are poor.

PvP titles and pve are not meant to be compared. PvP was never meant for pve chars that are never deleted. The concept was that you could make any char at level 20 with limited effort so you could play immediately. Anet planned on those chars being deleted often hence things being account based.

Torqal's post on page 2 proves my point on the motivation behind the call for change.

VanDamselx · Oct 29, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by FC_DriFteR

Do you have a secret ranked account I don't know about??? or are you logging in as me

Of course I log in as you

Alex Dimitri · Oct 30, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by leprekan

After more than a year of this title being around there isn't a logical reason to change it. At this point it would just allow the QQs to shortcut the hardest pve title to get by getting credit for chests already opened on other chars. That is the "opposers" goal in this whinefest (opposers being those that oppose current system). If you worry about opening chests on another char because of cost ... you can't afford this title to begin with. Those 3 or 4 chests you might run into while playing your other char that night won't keep you from getting that title. Being too lazy to make yourself open 10000 will. Like I said before .. you want to dumb it down then Anet should raise the level cap to 15000 or even 20000. You would still have your "enjoyment" of being able to open on any char and the raised level cap would compensate for those you had opened already on other chars. Somehow I doubt you will think that is fair.

Your opinion is what is the problem with gw. Your type begged for inscriptions and cheap runes. Now the same group cries because they are poor.

PvP titles and pve are not meant to be compared. PvP was never meant for pve chars that are never deleted. The concept was that you could make any char at level 20 with limited effort so you could play immediately. Anet planned on those chars being deleted often hence things being account based.

Torqal's post on page 2 proves my point on the motivation behind the call for change.

Ok i`ve seen stuborn people but you are the true CHAMPION !!!
Hardest title to attain, guess that must be because of the SKILL involved in gettin it, which actualy equals ZERO!
Stop tellin my fairytales, only thing you need for that title is gold and absolutely nothing else, chest running ohhh it must be higher philosophy !
This title reflect you only in a light of someone who has unbelivable amout of free time plus suspicious amounts of gold !!!
AND IF YOU READ POST`S THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ONLY COMPLAIN ON LACK OF POSSIBILITY TO PLAY MULTIPLE CHARS WHILE GOIN` FOR IT, I DIDN`T SEE ANY POST WANTING FROM ANET TOO AS YOU SAY "DUMB DOWN TITLE" !
So please stop being pain in the b***, and leave this thread alone cause u don`t have anything smart too say !!!
And too conclude this my account has only one storage and only max 1 mill. gold i can put there for all my chars, which actually makes LOGICAL that TITLES for whom you need to PAY to attain be account based !!!!

leprekan · Oct 30, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Alex Dimitri

Ok i`ve seen stuborn people but you are the true CHAMPION !!!
Hardest title to attain, guess that must be because of the SKILL involved in gettin it, which actualy equals ZERO!
Stop tellin my fairytales, only thing you need for that title is gold and absolutely nothing else, chest running ohhh it must be higher philosophy !
This title reflect you only in a light of someone who has unbelivable amout of free time plus suspicious amounts of gold !!!
AND IF YOU READ POST`S THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ONLY COMPLAIN ON LACK OF POSSIBILITY TO PLAY MULTIPLE CHARS WHILE GOIN` FOR IT, I DIDN`T SEE ANY POST WANTING FROM ANET TOO AS YOU SAY "DUMB DOWN TITLE" !
So please stop being pain in the b***, and leave this thread alone cause u don`t have anything smart too say !!!
And too conclude this my account has only one storage and only max 1 mill. gold i can put there for all my chars, which actually makes LOGICAL that TITLES for whom you need to PAY to attain be account based !!!!

To quote Torqal for you from page 2 (maybe someone needs to read the posts before blasting away). "I am developing treasure hunter on 4 characters, and they are on around 475, 240, 150 and 130 chests opened respectively. What would be really better is if these were assimilated into an account-level title where my account had opened 1100 chests."

That is short cutting/dumbing down a title no matter how much venom you put in your post. He was the only one of you that was honest as to his motivation on wanting the change.

Considering you can C space through gw .. even in hard mode the word skill shouldn't be attached to any title. Doesn't make it any less difficult to achieve .. hence why there are so few with it and so many QQ threads like this.

Yes, you need A LOT of gold and the motivation/drive to make yourself keep going even when you have had 35 purples in a row. The QQs to combine the chests they have opened lack in the motivation/drive department. If gold is their issue then combining isn't relevant to begin with .. they can't afford the title.

Please do not insinuate that I Ebay ... I had my first set of fow armor the week they fixed the quest so you could craft it .. aka there weren't gold sellers in gw at that time.

Kashrlyyk · Oct 30, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by booooYA

...The only reason people want it account wide is because they feel it is unattainable and that it would be easier to obtain if they weren't forced to play as one character. ....

Not easier!! Closer to what they enjoy playing. A person playing one character can easily max it. For someone, whose playing style is to play several characters, this title is practically unachievable.

10000 chests are 10000 chests, if I get them by playing one character only or by playing 8 characters, shouldn´t make a difference.

Whisper Evenstar · Oct 30, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Not easier!! Closer to what they enjoy playing. A person playing one character can easily max it. For someone, whose playing style is to play several characters, this title is practically unachievable.

10000 chests are 10000 chests, if I get them by playing one character only or by playing 8 characters, shouldn´t make a difference.

Exactly my thoughts.... this chg will only benefit people who play many characters, and its no loss to someone who plays only one. It isn't cheapening anything....

smrandom · Oct 30, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by leprekan

After more than a year of this title being around there isn't a logical reason to change it. At this point it would just allow the QQs to shortcut the hardest pve title to get by getting credit for chests already opened on other chars. That is the "opposers" goal in this whinefest (opposers being those that oppose current system). If you worry about opening chests on another char because of cost ... you can't afford this title to begin with. Those 3 or 4 chests you might run into while playing your other char that night won't keep you from getting that title. Being too lazy to make yourself open 10000 will. Like I said before .. you want to dumb it down then Anet should raise the level cap to 15000 or even 20000. You would still have your "enjoyment" of being able to open on any char and the raised level cap would compensate for those you had opened already on other chars. Somehow I doubt you will think that is fair.

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Yes, you need A LOT of gold and the motivation/drive to make yourself keep going even when you have had 35 purples in a row. The QQs to combine the chests they have opened lack in the motivation/drive department. If gold is their issue then combining isn't relevant to begin with .. they can't afford the title.

Please do not insinuate that I Ebay ... I had my first set of fow armor the week they fixed the quest so you could craft it .. aka there weren't gold sellers in gw at that time.

I'm afraid that the interruption to your perceived sense of self-worth isn't a very convincing reason to keep the title character-based. The implementation of the title was flawed from the beginning, as was the Wisdom title. Maintaining a flawed titled simply because it was introduced that way is a poor argument. Actually, both titles are fairly impractical with a marginal benefit, which is virtually irrelevant with the introduction of Perfect Salvage Kits. I'd be tempted to consider that an argument for keeping the title character-based, but for the existence of the Hall of Monuments and some obscure future benefit that a maxed title may provide in GW2. It would seem to me that making the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom title more accessible benefits GW (and its successor) by adding another dimension of gameplay for its players and perhaps provides another incentive to purchase GW2.
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

10000 chests are 10000 chests, if I get them by playing one character only or by playing 8 characters, shouldn't make a difference.

This is flawed logic. Otherwise, this argument would apply to every title and that doesn't make any sense. Character-based titles reward those people who have made the choice to accomplish and explore the game's offerings on a single character. The reward relates to commitment to that character, as opposed to the game in general. IMO, a more convincing argument is that opening chests and identifying rare items is a collateral part of the game that is unrelated to a person's commitment to a particular character.
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Ultimately, I don't foresee any changes being made. As we are now constantly told, the development team is busy working on GW2 and any diversion of resources to non-essential issues in GW will not be considered. As a change of this nature would be gratuitous at best, I'm of the opinion that company resources will be put to use elsewhere.

Torqual · Oct 30, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

As an update on this thread, I would like to inform Leprekan that I chest-ran myself in Witman's Folly from 475 to 550 in a couple of hours. Many thanks to Leprekan for the advice. My mistake was that I didn't realize that, if you don't kill anything in an area, all the chests are there to exploit. This is not well understood. BTW I do think you can get more than 36 in an hour. I did about 45 in one.

The title is farmable by normal people. I still think that maxing it is out of the reach of all but the most devoted but, hey, maybe it's nice to still have a title like that. It really isn't worth going from 5000 to 10000 chests to get an extra 3% lockpick retain. In fact you can spend the money on 9 rings and get a much stronger Luck enhancement which an be shared at account level. Really, you only 'need' level 4 or 5 if you're salvaging/opening a lot. And these are well within the reach of a regular player if your % rates bother you.

Thanks again to Leprekan, sorry for the abuse mate; I still think this title would be kind of neat at Account Level but having seen how to farm it, it's no longer a problem for me.

VanDamselx · Oct 30, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Not easier!! Closer to what they enjoy playing. A person playing one character can easily max it. For someone, whose playing style is to play several characters, this title is practically unachievable.

10000 chests are 10000 chests, if I get them by playing one character only or by playing 8 characters, shouldn´t make a difference.

While you may think it would be more fun it most certainly would be easier to attain it. You are telling me you would like to play multiple characters and fine. You clearly have not listened to my point. For those who would like to play multiple characters, it is hard to achieve. By playing multiple characters, you are forfeiting time you could have spent opening chests with your chest hunter. So, making it account wide would make it easier to obtain for those who play multiple characters. Thank you for proving my point once again.

I've even already said what smrandom did. The benefits from Treasure Hunter are basically obsolete with the introduction of perfect salvage kits. Lock pick retention is hardly worth it, you're better off getting lucky. I have tier 3 in lucky and tier 4 in treasure hunter and I only have a 28% retention chance in hard mode. There really is no bonus or upper hand anymore. No one is making you get the title, no one says you have to get the title unless you choose to and if you do choose to then I'm sorry you have to forfeit playing time on other characters. I have been working on this title well over year just because I play on different characters a lot. It has taken a lot of patience and will definitely require a lot more.

Pan Head · Oct 30, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

OK I have read most of the post in this thread. Not all but most to get the overall feeling for the thread. Because this is one of the title that i am working on, but I too play more than one char i think it should be account wide.

But now let me explain why. And in say this i feel it should be more than just this title as well. Should be account wide because it is not the amout of gold or teh benifit you get from the title. If it is gold you should not be going for it. Benifit is not worth it anymore. But it is the time I have spent on it. Not the amount of time i have played a specific char. I like to change up chars once in a while for a new style of play. But when i look at titles i look at it as something i done. I acheived it. Not my char. And when you are playing no one else on the game knows it you did it with a tank or a monk and it does not matter. I done it and when the look at the char and say wow nice job (or looser get a life you spend to much time in a game) they are seeing what i did.

Anduin · Oct 30, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by booooYA

No, I'm the definition of not handing everything to everyone on a silver platter just because they cry that something is too difficult to obtain.

Oh man, this is hilarious.

Firstly, the majority of people I see say titles are "worthless" and "meaningless". I don't see how anything can be devalued more than being completely without worth.

Secondly, grinding isn't hard. Running chests isn't hard. It is boring, repetitive action. How is that in any way, shape, or form HARD?

I am working for this title, and I totally see why people would want it changed. The hours needed would not change. The only thing that changes is that other characters are now able to open chests without it being a complete and utter waste of money.

If you really need a title to feel good about yourself, I hear there are procedures to get "it" enlarged, so you don't have to grow one online.

leprekan · Oct 30, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by smrandom

I'm afraid that the interruption to your perceived sense of self-worth isn't a very convincing reason to keep the title character-based. The implementation of the title was flawed from the beginning, as was the Wisdom title. Maintaining a flawed titled simply because it was introduced that way is a poor argument. Actually, both titles are fairly impractical with a marginal benefit, which is virtually irrelevant with the introduction of Perfect Salvage Kits. I'd be tempted to consider that an argument for keeping the title character-based, but for the existence of the Hall of Monuments and some obscure future benefit that a maxed title may provide in GW2. It would seem to me that making the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom title more accessible benefits GW (and its successor) by adding another dimension of gameplay for its players and perhaps provides another incentive to purchase GW2.

Thank you for the chuckle.

Just a tip for you ... my self worth is not based upon a title. Where exactly you pulled that from other than the troll bag escapes me. My having the title has nothing to do with my argument against further dumbing down of this game. Don't always assume things are about someones epeen.

Combining chars after more than a year is short cutting a title no more no less. When the totals were set to be character based and not account based it is a huge jump start when they become combined. If this were done where does it stop? Sweet tooth? I have points on other chars would be nice to combine those too. Drunkard? Hmm sure would be nice to move those minutes over.

Don't give me the in game benefit bs I have the title and break as many lockpicks on my level 7 th warrior as I do on my level 4 th monk. Same with salvage .. those percents are based upon a HUGE number of attempts.

Torqual,

Glad I was able to help. I averaged the 36 an hour based upon running 100 -200 a day. Worked out to about 3 chests every 5 minutes with merch and Id and that little thing we call bio breaks

VanDamselx · Oct 30, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Anduin

Oh man, this is hilarious.

Firstly, the majority of people I see say titles are "worthless" and "meaningless". I don't see how anything can be devalued more than being completely without worth.

Secondly, grinding isn't hard. Running chests isn't hard. It is boring, repetitive action. How is that in any way, shape, or form HARD?

I am working for this title, and I totally see why people would want it changed. The hours needed would not change. The only thing that changes is that other characters are now able to open chests without it being a complete and utter waste of money.

If you really need a title to feel good about yourself, I hear there are procedures to get "it" enlarged, so you don't have to grow one online.

First off, I'm a girl so I don't have a penis, thank you. Secondly, I did not say it was hard to do, but it does certainly take a lot of gold and time and if you didn't notice many people are complaining that it is too difficult to obtain if you play more than one character. I've already said running chests is basically skill-less once you learn how to do it, so why don't you read more than one post instead of insulting me first?

Pogrim The Crusader · Oct 30, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

This thread has become more of a shouting match then what i intended it on being. It's obvious the two sides will never agree and you people just keep ranting the exact same points back and forth all day long...bicker bicker piss and moan back and forth. I just had a suggestion and it seems that 3 or 4 of the same people took it upon themselves to be 100% right and argue down the throat of anyone who opposed them..stop taking shots at each other and just state an opinion about the title, not one another's penis size or ego. Don't you people have anything better to do?

VanDamselx · Oct 30, 2007, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Pogrim The Crusader

This thread has become more of a shouting match then what i intended it on being. It's obvious the two sides will never agree and you people just keep ranting the exact same points back and forth all day long...bicker bicker piss and moan back and forth. I just had a suggestion and it seems that 3 or 4 of the same people took it upon themselves to be 100% right and argue down the throat of anyone who opposed them..stop taking shots at each other and just state an opinion about the title, not one another's penis size or ego. Don't you people have anything better to do?

That's funny, because I did state my opinion and those people took it upon themselves to quote me (including yourself) and debate it. If someone quotes me and disputes something, I will give them a reply. I thought that's what forums were for. Silly me, I must be thinking something completely different.

Pogrim The Crusader · Oct 31, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Debating and calling you a stupid moron are two different things..others have taken it upon themselves to do the latter.